#14 Tay Oskee: About life as a musician, following your dreams & touring with your childhood idol.

00: 02:25Julia: Thanks so much for being here. Um, perhaps a bit to the background story. I've been at the Ziggy Alberts concert, and you were the Support Act. Even though that sounds much less than it was because it was beautiful to listen to you. And I had the intuition that I thought, like, I don't know why, but I want to ask him if he would like to be on the podcast. And to be honest, that's pretty seldom that these kind of things work out, because obviously once you've reached a certain stage, I know you have your own tour by now. You are a headliner yourself. Yes, that's pretty cool and still you take the time. So I'm really appreciating that. Thank you.

00: 03:02Tay: No worries at all.

00: 03:04Julia: And I heard you are in London right now. The last post I saw on Instagram was on the 8th of May in Cologne. So perhaps you tell us a bit like, what are you up to right now?

00: 03:16Tay: Um. What am I up to right now. Well, the tour finished with Ziggy Alberts, which was amazing. And then I came back to the UK and played a few little festivals and did a headline show in London and then went to Portugal for a little, that was like kind of holiday, I guess, but still I was still just catching up on admin stuff and things like that. And now back in the UK, I'm in London right now and just kind of prepping, got a few shows on the way, got to go to some festivals coming up and another few support slots, so a few months before the Europe tour. So it's going to be a mix of busking, writing, video editing, just general kind of music, independent stuff, trying to do everything.

00: 04:14Julia: Yeah. My God, it sounds extremely busy right now. I hope you are still enjoying it a bit.

00: 04:19Tay: Yeah, definitely. No, it's always enjoyable. Sometimes it can be kind of draining, but. I would rather be doing this than what I used to do. So.

00: 04:32Julia: What did you use to do?

00: 04:34Tay: I did many things. I dug ditches. I was a farm manager. I was a sports development Manager, I guess. And then I was up in rooves doing insulation. Just many horrible jobs. They weren't that bad. But like thinking back right now, I'm like, Oh yeah, whenever I feel like I'm. Like worn, worn down or I'm a bit like, Oh, I'm not really enjoying this, you know? Think back. I'm like, Oh, no, life's good.

00: 05:11Julia: So when you say that, how long ago is that? Is it actually like 20 years ago? Ten years ago? Is that actually three years ago?

00: 05:18Tay: So six years ago, I would say was my last Day job. I mean, this is a day job as well, but you know what I mean. Yeah. So like working for someone.

00: 05:31Julia: Something that supported your vision of becoming a musician.

00: 05:33Tay: Yeah. So probably six years ago, I think I stopped working. Stopped working with, you know, and started just going full time music.

00: 05:46Julia: That's amazing that that works out.

00: 05:49Tay: Yeah, well, it's been tough. And to be honest, it's still it still hasn't broken, you know, it's still a grind, but it's at that. It's at that point now where it doesn't make sense to do anything else because it's, um. Like. When, you know, let's say there's not many gigs, it still doesn't make sense now to go try and get some work on the side or something because it doesn't it makes sense financially to put the effort into this, which is good. It's a good place to be now.

00: 06:24Julia: So how do you, if I may ask, how do you earn money? Is that mainly through tours or merchandise or. Because I mean, there's Spotify nowadays. It might be very dumb question, but like as a musician, like what do you have to do to actually be able to live off of it?

00: 06:41Tay: Um, no, it's a good question, and it's different from many artists. Um, I'm in. I would say I'm in a lucky position in terms of like, um, artists that I know and just a lot of artists in general where Spotify, um Is almost at a stage where, I don't know, you could say if I didn't have output, it would be like a minimum wage, right? Well, maybe not. Maybe a bit better than that. And so so I'm very lucky in that sense. So I do get an income from Spotify. Mhm. Um, and then you try to use everything else as a so like touring can make a lot depending on where you are in Europe with the cost from coming from Australia and excess baggage and all that. It's kind of, kind of tough. Yeah. But it's a mix of everything. Yeah. And I think it's dangerous if you put one ahead of the other. I think it's good to kind of give them all the same importance because if one goes, because it could. You have at least one, you know.

00: 07:53Julia: I mean since 2020 you know, it can. it did.

00: 07:55Tay: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Like what You said it. One of them did go. A few of them went, actually, because that kind of took everything really, except for the except for royalties. That was the only thing we had for two years. Pretty much.

00: 08:37Julia: Yeah. I've just been at a festival, actually. Um, I still will not be able to pronounce it correctly. It's rock Werchter. It's like a Dutch festival. The biggest one. four days. My first one sleeping in a tent, you know.

00: 08:50Tay: Cool. Yeah. Sorry. I've been seeing, um.

00: 08:55Julia: Xavier was there .

00: 08:56Tay: Xavier, was there? Yes. I saw that. Dean Lewis, the Ossis, Dope Lemon. Angus Stone.

00: 09:05Julia: I also honestly, it was very, very interesting because on these festivals, everyone I talked to had a different experience. I watched music for eight hours every day and it was amazing because it was such a connecting experience. I don't know, I haven't experienced that. But also with being at Xavier Rudds, we were in a tent so there for two hours to get in. Actually, it's my third time I've seen him and everyone was jumping. Everyone was just living that. And I think it's very special when you go to a festival because you do experience completely new kinds of music. And there were also lots of new artists. I'm pretty sure they're well established, but I haven't heard of them. And you allow yourself to be touched by the lyrics, by their energy and seeing their smile grow bigger and bigger just by seeing the resonance of the audience. So that was, I don't know, it was special and sees the power of music. How it can connect people was really, really cool.

00: 10:12Tay: Absolutely. I've I've, um. I had one of those. Well. When I was just out of high school, I went and saw. I grew up. Xavier was my favorite artist. Like, like he was. I was this little barefoot hippie beach kid. And Xavier was my guy, you know. And Jack Johnson, these guys as well. But in particular, Xavier and I went and saw him at this festival called Byron Bay Blues Festival in and I. I got two day tickets because the five day tickets sold out. But also I couldn't really afford them. Um, and unfortunately, it wasn't the days because the day that Xavier was playing was sold out on the Saturday night and it was also John Butler. And so it was just like the best lineup if you at that moment in time to especially Ozone music was like popping off in that genre. And, and I jumped the fence and I, um, I lost my, my flip flops, my thongs, and it was muddy and I just kept running and like, the security guard was, like, chasing up. Yeah. And I just ran straight into the crowd, and I was like. So I didn't I didn't have an arm band or anything. And I just because I was so scared of getting caught, I just stayed in that the main tent the whole day like, and, and had get friends to get me some food and stuff and, and um, Xavier, Xavier was playing and it was, you know, it was just he was at that moment he was just like. This was probably the biggest show he had ever done kind of thing. So he was just like, you know, like he was. One of those massive tents at the festivals, you know. So an inside tent, but one of the big ones. So guess that's it. It's probably 12,000. Something like that, maybe. Yeah. Yeah, it's a pretty, pretty big. And he he invited he was like calling people up on stage and I was like, oh. And like, just ran up. And it was actually footage of it online. And when supported Xavier showed him and he was cracking up. But so he's playing let me be and and I'm there barefoot without a wristband. Like no way. And it's just like my hero over here. Just like, oh, my God. Like, what is this? Um.

00: 12:45Julia: Wait, so he got you on stage and you sang.

00: 12:48Tay: He got. No, no, He got heaps of people up on stage just to dance. And so I was just. I was just one of the people who just ran up and started dancing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was just like. And then shook his hand at the end and ran back into the crowd and but it was one of those gigs where because I've had only a few, maybe 4 or 5, where you get that full like euphoria, you know what I mean? Yes, and it's rare, but when it happens, it's just like, Whoa! Um, and that gig was one of them. And it was just. And he had it as well because it was just like. They don't always happen. But when they do and it sounds like because I saw the footage of that rock, rock, rock.

00: 13:32Julia: Rock Werchter rockfest.

00: 13:33Tay: Yeah. And it looked like it reached that level.

00: 13:37Julia: Absolutely. I think so. I don't know how you felt, but he was also all alone. So playing the drums and the guitar. And now I obviously forgot. Not the ukulele. Is it Didgeridoo.

00: 13:52Tay: Yeah. Or. Or yirdaki. Either Rocky. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

00: 13:57Julia: I normally know that, but yeah. And then some rapper and some I guess it was his brother. I'm unsure. Um, yeah. And I was very close. So now you are on stage experiencing that Sometimes and sometimes not. Guess it depends on the on the crowd.

00: 14:14Tay: Yeah. It's not always like sometimes you have to. Because you can't be in a perfect mood all the time. So sometimes you're, you know, feeling a little. Tired something and but sometimes they're the moments because maybe you're like going in and feeling a bit like, Oh. Oh, like don't really want to do this show and then the crowd lifts you up, can instantly change your mood and bring you up. But it's. It's different every time. Yeah.

00: 14:45Julia: Is it for these moments that you do it or what does music mean to you?

00: 14:50Tay: No music musics. I'm. I'm a pretty. Chill. Um. Person. So. Uh, I wouldn't say I go like chasing adrenaline. And, you know, so for me, it's, um, definitely feeling, but it doesn't necessarily like. It's not about playing in front of the biggest crowds possible. So some of my my favorite moments playing music have actually been around the campfire or in the garage at friends houses, like at parties where we're just there's it's just jam mode. And again, it's very rare, but sometimes it just clicks and everything's just like, Whoa! So there it's it's definitely the moment. That's what keeps you in music because you do feel something, but it's not chasing, um, crowds, I guess. But obviously that you're not going to say no. That comes because it is very fun as well.

00: 16:01Julia: Yeah, because it is beautiful if people sing along. But was was really one of my questions first. Do you prefer the big or the small shows? And also, is music a way for you to express yourself because it is describing your journey? It is speaking mostly about love and hope and nature. So it's really lots of things that I think make you you. Um, or is it really this getting something back like a resonance from the crowd?

00: 16:32Tay: No, it's, um. Earlier on I used to write for. Or like with with like, oh, that's going to go that's going to be so fun playing at a show. But that was when I used to play with the band. So it was a different vibe because. Because you would be like, Oh, we can get the crowd going. And it's really fun, you know? And and more recently it's more I'm trying to write music that. That makes me feel something. If that makes sense. Yeah. So it's like, Oh, I want to feel nostalgic. And so if I couldn't write a song that makes myself feel nostalgic, then. That's that I've kind of ticked the box. Whereas and then I guess, you know, because humans are all pretty similar, if I can feel nostalgic of it, I'm sure other people will get that feeling as well. Not everyone, but.

00: 17:37Julia: Yeah. I think I've learned more about Nicole Harper. I don't know if you know her. I know there's a middle name as well. But So she's a lady that she's an artist as well. And she decided after, like trying lots of things and then working out okay to create art for always one specific person. So if she would get a message. Um, and I would give her a feeling she would create an art piece for this particular person, put it out there and knowing that this message will reach someone else as well. And by being in your case, probably. Um. Oh, yeah. Trusting that something that you feel or that makes you feel nostalgic or connection or love will make someone else feel the same. Even though you're opposites in your case, even the dream of something because you're upbringing is completely different. You know, you talk about the surfs, the campfire that is not very much everyday life for us in Europe. We really have to go on trips to experience that. So perhaps it's not nostalgia, but like dream.

00: 18:55Tay: Although, although I think I. I find myself. Um. It's this weird feeling. I've been nostalgic for things I've never experienced before, which is weird. Do you know what I mean? It's like. Yeah, It's.

00: 19:10Julia: It's like Adele makes you miss the boyfriend you never had. Yeah.

00: 19:14Tay: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? You're like, Oh, you know, I'm. I guess watching a movie can be similar as well, you know, like, you've never experienced something like that, but. You can still. Well, maybe that's more a sense of like, longing, like you said, like dream. Dreaming for that. Which is the same one. You're dreaming for it in the future. Maybe one you're dreaming for it in the past. Yeah.

00: 19:41Julia: Perhaps it's. It's really the feeling that is the common ground, you know, The feeling of. Having had or the feeling of having been someone that you're like that has been present or that was, you know, someone that is happy in this moment and it doesn't matter if it's a campfire or if it's being among friends at a party or home alone with your partner. I think that's the feeling that you convey and you do it in a very interesting way, like the the way you play with acoustics. Like I take singing lessons since this year so and the last couple of days to just prepare for the interview as well. I listen to all of your songs and even though it sucks it does stuck. It is stuck in your head. The chorus. When you try to sing along, you you go higher when you don't expect it or you you know, you bring in an interesting twist in the music.

00: 20:43Tay: Okay, cool.

00: 20:45Julia: Yeah, it's interesting. Needs a little bit of creativity, I guess. Or natural talent.

00: 20:51Tay: So. I don't know. I don't know, I reckon. No, definitely. I think that's come because my stuff's definitely like there's definitely a pop edge to it. But I grew up not listening to Pop and my dad. Mum and Dad didn't really listen to Pop, so and, and then when I was in high school, I was like. Antipop. Oh, you know, was like if the song was ten minutes, it was good. So. So I think that's always stuck there that. Even if I'm trying to write a pop song. Um. I will. I will consciously try to, um. Try. Try to make it not be too standard or try to make it sound like me. Even if The Chord Because there's only so many chords or whatever. And it's all subtle things because, you know, we're all acoustic dudes who sing about the ocean, you know, it's not that groundbreaking or anything, but yeah, I am conscious to try not. Sound exactly like someone else and try to sound like like me and bring in my and bring in my influences, which has not always been just acoustic music. So that's the other side of it as well. Yeah. Yeah.

00: 22:16Julia: So I told you I've prepared some pictures because I think your story is also very interesting. So I would show them to you. Obviously, people that listen, we have to explain a little bit what it's on it, but perhaps you can tell us like what that moment was, how you felt. And yeah, so that's your very, very first Instagram post. I assume you have deleted something before. It is a girl holding a camera.

00: 22:44Julia: She says, Oh, you say my new videographer with our mic stand shoulder Mount Video coming soon.

00: 22:54Tay: So that is the first Instagram post. Yeah. Um, and that that is my lovely wife, Carolina. Oh, really? Okay, cool. Yeah. And that I think we were filming an acoustic. An acoustic video for some song.

00: 23:19Julia: Maybe 2015. So it was.

00: 23:22Tay: Long before any It was before any release. Yeah.

00: 23:26Julia: Um, it's interesting. So you did record and make even videos? Um, yes.

00: 23:33Tay: I was just trying things going.

00: 23:34Julia: To be your path?

00: 23:36Tay: Yeah, it was. It was just like, that's when we were just deciding I'm going to do this because I had a few songs. I'm like, All right, well, let's, let's, you know, start start doing this and. Yeah. So and I was always into, um, video and photography and stuff, so. Okay, well, let's start. This is the easiest way because you can Instagram it just, you know, what's popping off and, and YouTube's always obviously always been there for a while now. So it was just trying to get a head start before you just put something out into the world and no one hears it. So

00: 24:17Tay: it wasn't the. Beginning, the two of you that really, I don't know, try to advance your music.

00: 24:24Tay: Yeah. Carolina I played. I was in a band when we met, and then I quit and then we moved to the Northern Territory. Um, took her to where I grew up. We lived there for, for a while and, and then was a farm manager for quite a while and moved back home, which is to another place in Queensland where I grew up. It's very kind of confusing. Um, and. All the local places where I used to play music and do like cover gigs, the local cafe, they're like, Oh, come to a show. It wasn't Byron Bay, right? No, this is this is a place called Mission Beach in far north Queensland. It's near Cairns. Yeah. And just a tiny village and. Anyway, so did, did a few shows and it was like, oh, this is like good pocket money. This is easier than, you know, being a farm manager. And. And then. Carolina is like kind of if you want to do this, you should do this now and not later before you regret it, you know? So she kind of. Kind of gave me the nudge. I'm like, Yeah, okay, I'll do it. Cool to have.

00: 25:42Julia: Someone like this that.

00: 25:44Tay: Actually absolutely amazing. Yeah, Yeah. She's amazing

00: 25:47Julia: because it means also that other things won't work. That perhaps there will be a little less money for a while.

00: 25:54Tay: Oh, yeah. Well, but that's all right. That's life. That is life.

00: 26:01Julia: Absolutely. That's the good thing about being young. You can take the risks. It gets a little bit more difficult later, depending on how you see it.

00: 26:10Tay: I think it gets the most difficult when another human enters them. Which isn't just yet. So we're. But we're being conscious of that. Yeah. Yeah.

00: 26:25Julia: I understand. Um. Okay. Sacred Moon Festival.

00: 26:31Tay: Oh, my goodness.

00: 26:32Julia: So it's you with a banjo. I think you play guitar, banjo, harmonica, percussions. You play all of the things I don't know, Self-trained or.

00: 26:42Tay: Self. Yeah. Or like yes until I did guitar lessons for all the into like the basics and then self trained from there. Yeah.

00: 26:55Julia: So was it one of your first festivals.

00: 26:58Tay: That probably is the first festival and that's in Cardwell which is right near Mission Beach or 40 minutes from Mission Beach, where for us, that's that's a close town, especially up there. And that was like a really spiritual festival. So, um, very yoga meditation. And to be honest, I was more that was kind of where I started. I was more in that zone. Um, and then. And then a kind of, um. I guess those opportunities, just all the songs I was writing kind of put me a little in between. So I had to like and then the opportunities were coming this way. So I was taking those festivals because you have to like choose that scene to, to get into it, I guess. Yeah.

00: 27:55Julia: And were you from the beginning on playing your own songs, or did you also cover other songs?

00: 28:00Tay: No, I had. I had enough songs from the start because I had a lot of old songs from, um, I mentioned before that I was in a band. Yeah. And so I had a lot of songs from those because I was I was the singer and, I don't know, songwriter, main songwriter. I don't know. Yeah. So, so I had enough songs to, to play sets from the beginning. So that's what made it an easy transition. Okay. It was, Yeah. Just out of school. Yeah, just out of school. Yeah.

00: 28:37Julia: Cool. Was always my dream. Never did it.

00: 28:39Tay: Yeah.

00: 28:42Julia: Okay, then we have on my way to Melbourne to record my first debut EP.

00: 28:50Julia: Pretty cool. Also, 2015 actually went pretty quick then.

00: 28:54Tay: It was it was a yeah, it was just let's do this and we did it. Yeah.

00: 29:00Julia: So you gained Momentum in the very in the very first year.

00: 29:03Tay: Yeah. Yeah definitely. Um didn't didn't was I guess I've already because I wasn't like so young. I knew to be careful. Not careful, but didn't want to just waste money and put it out there and no one could hear it straight away. So I made sure there was an, um, recorded and and kind of promoted and made sure there were things happening a little bit. Yeah. And I think that was really important. Kind of gave me a little bit of a head start. Um, but that was my cousin lives down in Melbourne. Um. My dad's Italian and he they were from there. They all got came from Italy to from Sicily to Melbourne. So that whole side of the family is down in Melbourne and he's a producer. So just at that stage it was like he's good. And it was also like. The only person I knew. So I'm like, Oh, well, go to Melbourne. Yeah.

00: 30:13Julia: Yeah, it's interesting. Once you've chosen to follow your dream or your vision or however you want to call it, they say things just align. Did you also have this experience?

00: 30:24Tay: Yeah, for sure. I think they align. And you. You. subconsciously. Make decisions, maybe also that that make it a line or it's a mix of both, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah. If you believe it's going to happen or your goal if your mind is set on it. Um. You're. Yeah. You're always making little choices that lead you there.

00: 30:54Julia: So what was your vision at the time? Was that.

00: 30:57Tay: take over the. Yeah. Take. Take over the world. Yeah, sure. Play to 10,000 people. No, it was absolutely. You go straight into it like I was. I had that song, that place. And for me, I was like, this is a hit. You know, like. And so you are very like. Here, you're pumped because the sky is the limit from the first release. The reality is, most first releases no one hears. And so obviously you get a little bit of a.

00: 31:31Julia: Traction probably now because now it's played. And I mean, I saw it wasn't some lots of promo videos, you know, as a as a background and like has been used. So you are right it is a hit. But people there needs to be this network effect. You know, one person hears it and the next one hears it. And once it becomes, yeah, something that people listen to, then it's a hit.

00: 31:53Tay: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So it was all. Yeah, it was very. Um. A lot of. Kind of. A lot of excitement. Definitely. Like, I'm still excited, but it's a different excitement, you know, It's like the start of a relationship. It's a different excitement. You know, It's all like, oh, you know, you're kind of shaking. And yeah, but now it's it's kind of. A deeper. But you don't you don't get those crazy highs and lows anymore. It's like a calm kind of move forward. Release music you love.

00: 32:33Julia: Yeah. And when it's too smooth, then you have to look for, okay, am I in my comfort zone? Do I have to get out of it again?

00: 32:40Tay: Exactly. Yeah.

00: 32:42Julia: Yeah. I said it in my last podcast interview, but in our wedding officiant, um, she said it's it's nice to be in love, you know, in the very beginning. But you can't be for the rest of your life because otherwise you don't have energy for anything else and you don't want that. So I found that very clever. Makes complete sense.

00: 33:05Tay: Yeah. And set you up for the, the, the guarantee that you know. The excitement will go down. You have to work. Get it back up. Like this? Yeah. Yeah.

00: 33:19Julia: True. Okay. The next one is finding a nice place to record some ambient sound for the EP. So I think yeah. Tell me.

00: 33:31Tay: So that that again that's for the first, um, that's down in Victoria.

00: 33:41Julia: Um, now perhaps quickly we see lots of green. You're like standing on rocks and you're probably looking to incorporate some natural sounds in your music.

00: 33:52Tay: Yes. Yeah, yeah. And this, this, this is kind of foreign landscape for me. So it's very it was very inspiring. I was like, Whoa! Because I'm from the tropics and down there, this is like a temperate rainforest. And those, those ferns are like ancient. So yeah, it was like. Let's do this. And it was mainly. Yeah, just to get bird sounds. Creek sounds to put behind. In particular, um, there's a song called Outro on that EP. Yeah. And it's just an instrumental and that's just. These like, Yeah, nature sounds with a guitar piece. Um, yeah. So that was mainly for that. To kind of let the finish.

00: 34:44Julia: So what does nature mean to you?

00: 34:50Tay: Everything. Think. Think It is everything, isn't it? I've checked my view on. It's changed, you know, because now it is, um, like. It's almost like now it is. There isn't nature like everything is, you know, we are nature, but it's like because everything's natural, everything that we can see exists. But. But the. Untouched before human part of it. Uh, I do find. Um, incredibly beautiful. Yeah. And and calming. So it's really important. It's. Yeah.

00: 35:35Julia: So being in Europe, how is that for you?

00: 35:40Tay: Oh, it's fine. There's pockets of. Of absolute beauty, and it's. And it's good to see different things like and, and I don't. I don't hate humans. So. So seeing, seeing the history of humanity whereas we have a in Australia we don't have we've got ancient history but it's not as in-your-face, it's not there's not buildings everywhere, you know, and. Because it was more untouched. So it's really interesting. I've actually really enjoyed it. And some of the natural parts in particular, Switzerland is like incredible. Yeah, it's beautiful. Like, it's ridiculous. Like we don't we don't have landscape like that at home in Aus. We've got our own beauty, but our beauty is more. Um. Australia is like this harsh, rugged beauty. Uh, whereas, like, the forest here, look, you know, they've got like, pine trees that are, like, perfect. And so, no, it all looks like, like, off a movie. Yeah. So it's. It's quite. It's quite nice. I've. I've loved it. Yeah, it's been great.

00: 36:51Julia: Yeah. Think what, um, what I really enjoy about Europe is that you have these 27 countries that are reachable in such short time and you have different landscapes. I don't know. Wherever you go, you just have to. Have taken a two hour flight to Greece. And you're in the, I don't know, turquoise seas. It's amazing. Yeah, I have that. I really did enjoy Australia, though. And I haven't been in the middle or the north or the west coast. Only the East Coast, obviously all tourists. Yeah.

00: 37:26Tay: But yeah. So did you go to the West Coast?

00: 37:29Julia: No, I did not. I went to the east. Okay.

00: 37:30Tay: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00: 37:32Julia: So the Melbourne

00: 37:35Tay: it's a different beauty, you know. It's not, um, it's. Yeah. It's all about the beaches, pretty much.

00: 37:44Julia: So then I have this photo. It's a photo of little huts. Um, on green grass and it says just book flights back to Ecuador for Christmas. Back to my wife's family farm. So beautiful. So what do you what does Ecuador mean to you?

00: 38:06Tay: Well was very, very important because it is. That's where Carolina's from. I met her in Brisbane. She came over to Australia to study and I've been over there four times now, I think. And in particular, yeah, it's a beautiful country. It's. And it's. Kind of really strong. Culturally like, especially like in the Andes, you know, it's got the Quechua people and they. Yeah, they're like. Get markets and living in these huts and stuff. So it's amazing. And this. Um, Carolina's granddad, he kind of was one of those guys who he started with. He bought. He saved up. He was, like, very poor. Saved up and bought one cow and. And was just this determined man and turned that one cow into like. 10,000 hectare farm. Amazing. Yeah. So and that that village there um are the workers of the farm that. Um, they're basically he's given them land. And so now that's their kind of village. And now that whole top there, which is that's like 3500m above sea level. So that's all become like a national park, I guess. Okay. Yeah. So but it's incredibly beautiful. And I know we actually went the Sequoia Lovers on the Mountain film clip. I don't know if you've seen that, that that's up there that's filmed up there. Okay. Yeah. So that's worth checking out.

00: 39:56Julia: Okay. Yeah. So you actually grew up pretty similar? Both. I'm not sure if you grew up on a farm. We will come to that in a bit. But you worked on a farm, as you said, and she her family farm. She has a family farm. So that. Was that something that connected you when you met?

00: 40:16Tay: Well, she kind of. Um, it was not, to be honest, it was pretty far in both our lives because I. Um. She grew up in the city but would travel to the farm like most weekends or every second weekend. But like, she was like City Girl, whereas I was opposite of a city girl. And the first time I went over there, I remember because I assumed Ecuador would be. This tropical Paradise, kind of, you know, like Ecuador you see on the picture. Yeah. Yeah. And I was young and like, oh, whatever. Like, didn't even didn't even cross my mind that Quito would be 3000m above sea level and just mountains. Like she's not from the beach, but rocked up with a surfboard case boardshorts, board shorts and flip flops. I think she she kind of assumed I wouldn't be that dumb. And and and I'll walk out and I'm in thongs and boardies and it's like one a.m. and it's. Five degrees. Think 5 or 6 degrees. I'm just, like, freezing. And the whole. The whole family's, like, waiting up. So we get home and I'm like, just, you know, 30 hours of flying, and I'm meeting the granddad, the grandma, like, in my board shorts, long hair. I was like, Oh, man. And they're very like, it's like it's very traditional over there. Yeah. It's kind of.

00: 41:58Julia: Put on a pullover.

00: 42:00Tay: No, it's fine. It'll work out. Yeah. Yeah. Probably wasn't the best first impression, but it's all good now.

00: 42:07Julia: How to you say you're an Australian without saying you're an Australian.

00: 42:10Tay: Yeah, literally. Literally.

00: 42:12Julia: pretty cool.

00: 42:14Tay: Yeah.

00: 42:15Julia: That's interesting. Thanks for sharing. Okay, now into 2017 and I show you this picture. It's you singing on a guitar. And it says Stoked to announce I'm this year's Blue Fest busking winner. So you went to. I don't what is it like a song festival competition.

00: 42:39Tay: Yeah. So. So I remember I mentioned the Xavier Rudd thing earlier, so that's Byron Bay Bluesfest, which is like one of Australia's biggest festivals. And especially for this kind of music, you know, it's like folk blues and they do a competition, a busking competition, which is almost like you'd almost feel like it's kind of like Battle of the bands type thing. It's pretty weird, but this is how it is. But if you win, you get to play Byron Bay Bluesfest on this big stage and so that's, yeah, I won that and got to play Byron Bay Bluesfest was.

00: 43:22Julia: That like, would you say that's your breakthrough? Like a little bit of a accelerator?

00: 43:27Tay: It kind of. It's not really, but incredibly exciting. Like when first one kind of it was like, Oh, yeah, this is it, you know? But but acoustic music at that time was kind of on a little bit of a like downturn. So the timing of it, like if it was four years before, probably, you know what I mean? It was one of those timing things where it wasn't just that style of music wasn't that hot right then. So it was like you're played it. But radio didn't give it, didn't care. It meant nothing, didn't get anything from any, you know, Whereas if it was earlier, the national radio station probably would have taken it on and picked up and, and maybe played my music. But, but nah, we just got it was just. The same slog. Kind of, but exciting.

00: 44:25Julia: Okay, So it was exciting. It was not like a downturn then for you. Like.

00: 44:29Tay: No, I want something.

00: 44:31Julia: Why is it not progressing?

00: 44:33Tay: No, no. It was exciting and I got to play on this amazing stage and meet artists and be backstage and and all of this.

00: 44:42Julia: Feel how it is, like what you actually want to be and find out if that's what you really like. And you did.

00: 44:48Tay: Yes. Yeah, it was incredible. Yeah. Got to meet heaps of cool people.

00: 44:56Julia: So we have touched on it a couple of times. I want to show this picture. It shows Aborigine people so correct dancing in red sand like the typical Australian red sand and you. Right. Bringing full power to Garma Festival. Very grateful to have spent so much time here as a kid and to be welcomed into such a strong and amazing culture. And I've read up that you lived among Aboriginals. Yong gu.

00: 45:27Tay: Yong gu.

00: 45:28Julia: Which means people translated. And I think that's an extremely fascinating. So your dad is from Italy. You grew up near to Mission Bay. You've also lived there perhaps, like what happened? Like, why? How was it?

00: 45:43Tay: Yeah. So, um. Or Mum and Mum was born in India, of all places, but she's English and Scottish heritage. But Mum and Dad met in quite a rural place. They were both kind of, you know, maybe a little adventurous or something, but they met in this place called Cooktown in far north Australia in Queensland. So they've always had that adventurous spirit and didn't mind being rural. And basically I think really what happened was Dad was a pilot and he got offered a job there and Mum got work in the kindergarten. And so they're like in Yerukala, which is. In this place and they they got like adopted into the community and they decided to live in the community and not in there's like a mining town. Which kind of where most of the white people kind of live, but they chose to live in the indigenous community. Um, and so they became really close, got adopted in, um, Um. Dad's very bad at language. Mum knew a bit but like it same thing. And I'm not very good with language either. But I know a little bit. I was very young. Yeah. Yeah. So I probably should remember more. But then the problem is we had such a big gap. So that was when I was really young. So I was like, I was probably two. So we lived there for about four years, um, in this community. And then we left again for another four or so. And then I went back for another four. So it was like eight years we lived in this community, but in two stints.

00: 47:42Julia: So you have seen, let's say, the real world. It's weird to say that, but you have lived completely rural, been back and then again rural.

00: 47:54Tay: Yeah, well, we lived, we always lived rural. So even when we moved back, it was rural, okay? But more definitely, you're right. Like the, the, the Western world as we know it. Guess, you know, like, um. Because Uthukela was it's. Very different. Like it's. Um, a lot of people don't realize that that exists in Australia. Um,

00: 48:23Julia: But how is it tell us like how many people are living there? Like, how does everyday life look like?

00: 48:28Tay: What is your colour might be, might be like in between 500 to 1000. It's hard to even keep track of these because they even though they're not nomadic anymore, they all still move or they're always moving depending on what's going on. Like because they've got clans who live over here and family. And so there's it's very fluctuating depending on is there a funeral, is there a wedding, you know, um, and. Um, it was quite, quite a beautiful little township as well. Um. And just nestled next to the ocean. And it was basically yeah, it play. We had one little little like takeaway shop which was and then a football field and Australian football field and basically that's like. And they're crazy about football. Obviously Australian football like so. So it's kind of a lot revolves around there. But in terms of language like. English for most of these families is. Fourth or fifth language. Because I need to know all their dialects, which they're not like. Um, in some cases. I don't know why they're called dialects, because they. The words are just completely different. So it's like, you know what I mean? Yeah. Um, and so this place of Australia yerukala, this whole north east Arnhem Land, but is like. Probably the strongest terms of language and keeping their culture. And that's because it was the last place. To be visited by white man. Yeah. So it's incredible. Yeah. Hunting. Like real hunting. Like with spear. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was amazing.

00: 50:42Julia: Yeah. And I guess.

00: 50:43Tay: I loved my childhood.

00: 50:45Julia: A little bit different than what we would understand, you know, like listening differently, feeling differently. And I guess for your music, because they have a strong dancing culture as well, or like, you know, like, expressing through dance and through music. I don't know if that influences you today as well or.

00: 51:06Tay: I think it does. Um, it definitely does. It's I haven't put any like hierarchy in my music, um, because I've always felt. Maybe it's a bit of like an imposter syndrome, you know what I mean? I don't think I can. I don't think I have. I mean, the funny thing is, if I did, all my family would be like, Yo, man, Mark, yo, you know? But yeah. Which is like, yeah, it's very good. You know, they they actually love it. They don't get it's all, it's more on like, us that feel weird, but they're fine. You know, it sounds great. Like you're celebrating our culture. Perfect. Well done. You know? It's like this whole white guilt thing, or. I don't know. It's kind of. Yeah.

00: 51:57Julia: And it is out there. People aren't judging, so it sounds. But they're not what you.

00: 52:01Tay: But it's not coming from the.

00: 52:04Julia: It's from the people themselves.

00: 52:06Tay: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah.

00: 52:09Julia: So it's the same about like, Rasta curls.

00: 52:13Tay: Where you say. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

00: 52:15Julia: Like, yeah.

00: 52:17Tay: But in literally 99.9% of the cases, it's like done in an endearing way. It's like, Well, I think this is cool, you know, it's like. Yeah. So, um, but I think. Um, in my old project there was more of that worldly, worldly vibe. My band, um, so it's still there, but more so maybe lyrically rather than melodically, Yeah.

00: 52:47Julia: And I mean what you say that you first played songs thinking about what could people like? Now you focus more on what I want to feel and it sounds like perhaps in ten years you dare to fully express yourself. And, you know, sometimes there are stages in life and it feels right to bring it up. And perhaps it doesn't just yet. Yeah.

00: 53:09Tay: Yeah. And also, maybe I don't. Um. This. This is truth for me as well. I. Will feel more from. Like if I want to get that haunting indigenous vibe. I'll feel it more from from them, you know, whereas I won't believe myself. So that's probably why don't actually do it.

00: 53:37Julia: you know, because that's You include them in one of the songs one day or something like that.

00: 53:43Tay: Yeah, that's that would be the best way to do it for sure.

00: 53:47Julia: Cool. Curious. Okay. We're now in 2018. I don't have that many left, but we have your idol, so you have Xavier Rudd and your wife. The time has come. You're standing next to him. And I don't know. It says the Sea Shepherd flagship. My okay is docked at Portside Wharf in Brisbane today and tomorrow before it makes you the journey up to Abbot Point. Xavier Rudd played a few tunes today and I'll be playing a set for you tomorrow at Delta and so on. Is that already like how did the connection in the end happen? Like, how did you meet him? How did it how did you become his supporting act?

00: 54:30Tay: So there was a bit of a so the story starts in Western Australia where I played this, um, this little place called Settler's Tavern in the Beer Garden. Just a free show where you do, you know, three sets, you know, and people are just having a Sunday afternoon drinking. Yeah, yeah. It's one of those. And, and a guy was listening and he's like, Man, I really liked it. It's like I have a my friend manages an artist and he didn't really know. He's like, oh, but he's like, really? Like in your kind of realm, you know? And I'm like And I'm like, John Butler Because John Butler lives in Margaret River. Do you know John Butler Trio? So another huge yeah, another massive like Aussie icon in that realm and that were both at the same time kind of save your art and jumble And he's like, No, no, not John Butler. I'm like, Xavier, Xavier Rudd. He's like, Yes. I'm like, No way, no way. And then, yeah, yeah. And then. And then he forwarded my details. To his friend Rowan, who was the manager, and then we so gave him. Gave me his details. So reached out. He got back and he was in Byron Bay. Just. Uh, I can't remember why. I think he might have even been on holiday or something and had a show. So he came to the show. We met there. And then. We didn't start working with each other straight away, but we just kind of stayed in touch. Um, you know, and I'd send him stuff, you know, like, oh, just send me, you know, when you got songs or whatever. And I sent him a song called Black Smoke. Just in like a demo version. And he loved it. And it was like, all right. And then talked to his partner, his business partner, and they're like, All right, let's. We want to work with you. And then we. Yeah, we. So they became my manager. And then. This kind of happened separately, though, this occasion, because I was working with Sea Shepherd doing shows for them. Um, and Xavier was as well. It was just the timing that all this stuff behind so and they had sent. Through. Um, some stuff to save about me. And then separately, this kind of happened, and we were both playing at the same thing, and that's when. So he already knew. We kind of. He was familiar, um, which I didn't know. But then Xav did say he's like, Man, I love your stuff, you know? And I was like, Oh, yeah, yeah. Um, and. And then from then I've got that support slot. Cool. Yeah, but that was the.

00: 57:32Julia: You were going to go on tour with them to Europe like a dream come true.

00: 57:38Tay: Yeah. Yeah. But that was later when I met him here. That hadn't happened. This was just like. Um, I mean, there was a hope that was like, Oh, hopefully I can do some shows with Xav. But that's all it was at, at that point.

00: 57:53Julia: Okay. Okay. Yeah, Really, really cool. I love that story. I mean, it's interesting because as you said, there is this genre where it's all about love, hope, ocean, these these kind of things that are very moving, these kind of music. So I was wondering if everyone knows each other or if it's still hard to get in contact. I mean.

00: 58:15Tay: No, it's definitely still well, Xavier. Uh, you know, I would say he's not part of the new wave of this kind of genre, you know? So he's one of, like, the OGs, the original, you know. Um, so, yeah, um, and, you know, Ben Harper, I guess was maybe the, the true OG and then these other guys, kind of Jack Johnson and everything, came up with him getting big. Yeah. So it is interesting, though, that not everyone knows everyone. Yeah, we know of each other. But yeah.

00: 58:57Julia: And I think what's cool about like getting to know these people is, you know, they asked us for you and then you realize, hey, they're actually normal people. Yeah, They have the same problems, the same dreams, the same everything. And it's. Yeah. They can become friends.

00: 59:14Tay: Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

00: 59:17Julia: Pretty cool. Okay. Yeah. Next picture. Another famous person. So we see been a great time busking with these legends. Philip Baldomir and Ziggy Alberts will be sharing the stage again soon, hopefully. See you there. 19th of September in. And December. Exactly. But that was in November 2018. So now you're like posing with Ziggy. Like, how did that happen?

00: 59:49Tay: Yeah, I'm trying to think where we were sharing the stage as well.

00: 59:54Julia: Surf Life Club, Life Saving Club and the Northern in Byron Bay. Instagram remembers more than you do.

01: 00:08Tay: A Yamba Surf lifesaving club.

01: 00:11Julia: Yamba? Yeah. What did I say? Djemba. Djemba. Djemba.

01: 00:14Tay: The Y. Yes. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I did a little show supporting Ziggy at this little RSL, and then Philippe was supporting me on my tour. Yeah, that's what it was. So. But I met Ziggy. Uh, well before this. It was one of the first gigs I did in Byron, and I was playing at the Northern. They've got like a little front bar and it was a Monday night in the middle of winter. And sometimes it's like, so Byron can be a ghost town on certain nights. This was one of those nights. So I was playing literally to myself and and and Ziggy Alberts rocks up with his two mates and, like, sits down on the table. I'm like, I'm like, Oh, fuck. He knew he'd be embarrassing. No, no. That was the first time I met him. Was just like, fucking,

01: 01:12Julia: you know his name?

01: 01:14Tay: Well, yeah, but not like I wouldn't say I was a fan. Yeah. Um. But I knew everyone. You couldn't escape the name, you know? Um, but I hadn't delved in. I was like Xavier Rudd. And, you know, I was in this world a bit more and yeah, and but I knew who he was, and so it was a bit like, oh, like, wow, I'm playing a No. One, you know. But anyway, and then we had a, we had a chat, but that was it. Um, so that was our first kind of meeting, but we weren't friends or anything. And then my other friends, Karl Lionheart and Garrett Cato busk with them and they are they were friends with Ziggy before he got big and stuff. And then one day Ziggy came in and joined the Busk and that was the kind of the first time or the second time I met him. It was like slow. A slow kind of, um. Yeah. We interacted a few times, and eventually we were friends, you know? It was kind of just. Yeah. Through. Yeah. But that was kind of like through other people who knew him and. Yeah.

01: 02:24Julia: Okay. And how come you actually went on on tour with him then?

01: 02:28Tay: Oh, because since then, we've become like good mates. Especially after doing the Covid thing, because I. So we were living in Byron and then we, they were locking the borders to Queensland. But like Queensland's my home, we're like, Let's get out of here, let's go. So we rushed up and stayed with some friends on the sunny coast and Ziggy lives there as well. So we just started surfing and we were in the same boat, so we had heaps to talk about and yeah, so we became really close over kind of the last three years. Yeah.

01: 03:09Julia: It has. Um, stopped people having connections, but it also intensified a lot of connections with people if you were lucky to be in the same space.

01: 03:21Tay: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, absolutely.

01: 03:25Julia: Okay, so then I have this. Your support act. It's Carolina sitting on your shoulders. Cheers to this amazing woman. Ten years by my side, supporting my crazy dreams, including, but not limited to being a farmer, zoologist, engineer, AFL manager, photographer and a musician. So it's really cool to see every time she's in your post you say Lovely, wonderful, beautiful. It's very appreciating. So yeah, so ten years in 2000, I think 18. So it's now 15 nearly. What is it now?

01: 04:05Tay: Yeah, it would be amazing. Long time. Yeah. All together at 19. Wow. Um, so yeah that was, that's watching Jack Johnson that photo. Okay. And and I'd actually. Just met. Jack Johnson. Um.

01: 04:27Julia: Oh, that's so much. Yeah. Yeah.

01: 04:30Tay: So. So we were on a high because, like, we'd just met Jack Johnson, um, at a beach cleanup that we were, we both got invited to and Jack Johnson was there as well. So like, oh, and so, and we think I played. I may have played this Bluesfest as well. Yeah. Think did so that was another, you know, it's just all exciting because you know. Um, yeah. So that was a very nice anniversary watching Jack Johnson meeting him. Good times.

01: 05:08Julia: Yeah. Nice. So what is your secret to a long lasting, good and deep relationship?

01: 05:14Tay: Um.

01: 05:19Julia: You had to write a Song about it.

01: 05:20Tay: What helps where balanced in terms of I. I kind of. I guess being a man. Maybe. Maybe that's what it is. I don't talk that much, but she, like, forces it out. So communication.

01: 05:40Julia: Okay.

01: 05:41Tay: You just have to you have to say what you feel and not get. Upset, like be rounded, like you can't just be defensive because life's not perfect and you're going to annoy people. You're going to annoy each other. That's seven times. That's okay. I mean.

01: 06:01Julia: Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah.

01: 06:04Tay: So it's. But that's part of it. And then that's how you grow. So we're definitely not the same people that we were when we first met. Yeah. Which I think is healthy. Yes, exactly. It'd be it'd be dangerous if we neither of us had grown at all.

01: 06:23Julia: Yeah. Yeah. I'm completely with you. I think we all have to learn how to express ourselves or find ways of how to doing it, because otherwise you might miss the development of the person who's right next to you. And I think that's the most dangerous thing, because then you all of a sudden realize you're not the person I married. I hope so. Yeah.

01: 06:45Tay: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's definitely a two and. Like, um. It's. There's a little. Yeah, it's a little bit of give and take on both because you're not same people and everything is a every choice kind of now involves two. So it's like you can't just do what you want, but that, but that again, that's like a lesson of life as well. And that's how you grow because you can't just do whatever you want. Think of others.

01: 07:22Julia: Yeah. You can't just do what you want, but you always you also always have someone that has your back. I guess that's the. The beauty of it. Yeah. Yeah.

01: 07:33Tay: For sure. Yeah.

01: 07:35Julia: Okay, so we're nearly through. Um, I skipped the Covid part because we talked about it. In the last one is like this picture from Cologne taken last month. Yeah. You being on a big stage, I'm not sure if that's you alone or if that's still. Am you playing before someone or what was that show? Tell me.

01: 08:03Tay: Lon was you know, that would have been me supporting Ziggy.

01: 08:07Julia: Ziggy?

01: 08:08Tay: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Incredible. All the German shows actually were pretty, pretty incredible. Yeah, the whole the whole tour was. But like.

01: 08:18Julia: You know, lots of. Germans are listening, so whatever you say.

01: 08:20Tay: No, no, Germany in particular was amazing. And I think that's that's reflecting in my shows as well. They're selling well in Germany. So, so it's kind of, um, it's and reflected in my streams as well. So it's cool. It's all making a bit of sense, you know, which is great. It gives us a bit of a direction over here. So we, we are concentrating on Germany as a market because, um, yeah, it seems like there's a hunger for that type of music and the shows are just good because they're not the Germans. You're very. Um. Because some people were saying they were really talkative. But then we had the opposite like it was. It was really good, but also not boring. So it was like a respectful but not boring, respectful. I would sing with you one of them to sing or clap when you know. So that was really cool. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, really.

01: 09:27Julia: Great as well. Yeah. You there are lots. Lots of differences between the countries. Even though they are so close, you really feel a difference. And I mean, we all know that inter intra cultural differences are bigger than inter cultural differences. So there are lots of people within one nation that can be extremely different. Yeah, but I do agree there are lots of people that like this kind of music. This I call it, you know, where you understand the lyrics, where it actually. It's fun to listen to because you somehow get taken on a journey of understanding like what story this person wants to tell you.

01: 10:12Tay: So, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, definitely. But, um, trying to remember the cologne. In particular that.

01: 10:25Julia: So you said Dankeschön.

01: 10:28Tay: Well, it was a

01: 10:30Julia: what An epic. What do you say Night that was. I can't wait to be back in September for Cologne was actually.

01: 10:37Tay: Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Ah, yeah. The Cologne was in particular. That was like a like. 2000 people, I think. And. So big show. And that was the one where it was probably the best crowd in terms of because 2000 people was very hard to get to that size where you're in danger of if people want to be talkative, it's like it's so hard. They were just yeah, for Ziggy as well. And it's actually usually the same if they're talkative for me, they're talkative for Ziggy. If they're it's like something in the room, you know what I mean? It's the same. Even when supporter Xavier, it's like. So they both ask every time. It's like, well, how were they? You know, because it's a little heads up of how the show is going to be. It was amazing.

01: 11:32Julia: And have you found out what. You can do to actually make them listen or is it really just depending on the room?

01: 11:39Tay: I mean. Sometimes you just have to back yourself and just play your set. Um, because sometimes you could try all you want, but it's just going to be hard work, you know? Um, but. I have did change up a few things sometimes depending on how. Like it feels really talkative. Crowd You're like, Well, I can't play this song. You know, I know I'll play this one because it's a bit more upbeat. Yeah. And that's that's what this crowd are. You know, you can feel it. They're buzzing. They're ready to party, you know, Or sometimes they're just.

01: 12:19Julia: Ready to cry.

01: 12:20Tay: Completely silent. Yeah. Where you can. You can chill things out and take your time and. Yeah, kind of. That's what makes it fun, though. It's not the same every night.

01: 12:31Julia: Yeah. I think it's interesting because you learn so much about psychology of masses. I guess, you know, like understanding what people, how they are depending on what the people around them are or how they're acting. Yeah.

01: 12:45Tay: Yeah. No, exactly.

01: 12:48Julia: Cool. So let me see if I have anything left. I have one question and then we're finished. What was your favorite show ever?

01: 13:04Tay: Oh, it's a very hard question. Um. Uh, it's. Yeah, it's really hard. Um, it would be one of my own shows, though. Um. Because there is a thing in music as well, like play to 2000 people of someone else's where you're kind of. Trying to win. The Crowd versus 100 of your own? Yeah. Um, like a lot of the time, the 100 of your own will win out because they're just they're there to see you and sing your songs. And that's a that is an amazing, uh, feeling because you can, you can almost completely relax. Um. And just.

01: 13:59Julia: Yeah. Just like a good friendship I feel. You know, when there's not much to explain you, you can just be yourself. And. Yeah. It feels like that.

01: 14:09Tay: Yeah, exactly. Um, no, there's an understanding that a bit more of an understanding because they know who you are a bit better and stuff like that. So it'd be one of my shows. Um. Oh, geez. And. Really hard.

01: 14:32Julia: Yeah, I think the answer is perfect.

01: 14:35Tay: But I reckon. In particular. Maybe. It's been a few. I don't know. In so many, so many fun shows. Um. Uh, you know what? This show in Brisbane last year at a place called Lefties. Which. Was I don't know. I think there's 200 people there. My own show. So really, like, I was really stoked with that on the Thursday night. So that was already like, great. But they were. Singing had my band with me. And the the setup was it's a really cool little venue. And it was just yeah, everything clicked. It was great. Just an exciting moment as well. Yeah. So probably that show. Cool.

01: 15:33Julia: Yeah. Good. Thank you so much for your time. It was a real pleasure talking to you and I wish you all the best for the future.

01: 15:44Tay: It's so easy. And same to you. Thanks for having me. Thanks.